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1. DJ$!#@^:

   Where does it say in the Bible that the poor are more or less deserving then others? Where in the Bible does it say that the people who work hard and make the best of the opportunities presented to them are forced to support those who have no self respect or desire to make their lives better?

   2 November 2007, 7:22 am

2. Killing in the Name of:

   DJ$!#@^; right next to the passage where it says you should persecute them. People aren’t poor because they don’t work hard. Look at the middle class. For instance, people like my father who work for American Airlines toil endlessly, working hard day in and day out, but then are refused the raises they solemnly ask for.

   Why are they denied these promotions? So the higher-ups can raise their own salary and grant themselves lavish vacations and give the company fifty brand new shiny Cadillacs.

   This doesn’t make you angry at all? You were probably born to a rich family. You never felt what it was like to go weeks without food in the cupboard. But that’s okay, that allows you to be ignorant and gluttonous.

   2 November 2007, 7:32 am

3. Anonymous:

   Where does the bible say to help the poor? Many, many places.

   2 November 2007, 7:37 am

4. LeftyInChief:

   How about in the sermon on the mount for starters.

   Here’s some reading for you. However if you’re a George Bush Republican you might need some help

   2 November 2007, 7:38 am

5. Matthew:

   Where does it say in any founding document that it is the responsibility of the government to redistribute wealth via confiscatory taxation and social programs?

   It is the responsibility of individuals and private organizations such as missions and charities who have voluntarily given their own time and money and other resources to help the poor.

   Bush lowered taxes across the board percentage-wise. A proper understanding of basic mathematics would lead you to see that those who make less and are taxed less, while saving the SAME percentage amount in the new lower tax bills, will have a lower dollar amount to their savings. 10% of $100 is $10, the same percentage, 10%, of a larger value, say $1,000 is a larger amount, $100.

   It is not unfair that the ‘rich’ to have a higher dollar value savings, as both are still saving 10%.

   And beyond that, Mr. Bush raised the level at which people pay NO tax, so more people in the lower end of the income range, the poor, kept ALL their money from the federal government.

   How is any of this ‘screwing’ the poor?

   I think it indicates instead a reluctance to accurate see what good may have possibly come from this man for whom your hatred is so blinding.

   2 November 2007, 10:01 am

6. Point the finger:

   I like how the self-proclaimed knowers-of-the-faith are pointing the finger & demoralizing others *cough* lefty *cough* The Bilble is irrelevant and a basis for todays morals which have been skewed in so many was that one could make a case for anything. This country should elect some normal, everyday person with a low expectation on the world to take control. That way, we will finally have no one to blame except ourselves for once. Oddly enough… people think HIllary is the answer. “God” help us.

   2 November 2007, 10:41 am

7. LeftyInChief:

   If Bush wants to proclaim so vehemently that he is a Christian and man of faith and blah blah blah then he shouldn’t be quite to quick to screw over the very weakest in our society. Why should the rich pay more? Because they can. I pay a hell of a lot more in taxes than I did 15 years ago. Am I happy about it hell no. Taxes suck! But I also know the kind of world I want to live in and more importantly the kind of world I want my children to grow up in. A rising tide that lifts all boats is a better way to live than the Republican mantra of screw you, I got mine..figure out a way to get yours.
   
   If you want to use Jesus Christ to get yourself elected then guess what, you get to be called on it when you treat everybody like crap.
   
   And let’s be really clear on this last point. Don’t put words in my mouth saying I hate the president. That kind of talk gets people arrested. I am profoundly ashamed that (fairly or through deception) he has weaseled his way in into the white house. I am ashamed that such an inarticulate good old boy has been representing me to the rest of the world for so many years.
   
   That’s a far cry from wishing some hateful shit on the guy.
   
   To quote the doofus, “Bring it on” Right-Wing whack jobs. It’s my board!

   2 November 2007, 10:50 am

8. ShutUp:

   Killing in the Name of: If it weren’t for people like your father, there wouldn’t be a problem with workers being exploited. If your father and people like him would simply quit their current jobs and work for an employer who treats them fairly, then more employers would be inclined to treat their employees fairly. But your father must be too scared to stand on his principles. If he’s too scared to live up to the morals he apparently instilled in you, then he should join a union and stand with others like him. Either way, if your father stays with an employer who exploits him and he doesn’t fight for his rights, then HE is the problem. You must have been born into a rich family, because nobody who comes from the lower classes would give up their freedom and independence so readily. Why don’t you earn what you have and shut-the-hell-up.

   2 November 2007, 11:34 am

9. Anonymous:

   when you make ten million a year, a ten percent tax of one million still leaves you with 9 million, When you make 20,000 a year a ten percent tax break still leaves you with not enough money to buy a small portion of what someone who pays 50% taxes on 1 million a year can get.

   2 November 2007, 10:39 pm

10. jeremy:

    “Where does it say in the Bible that the poor are more or less deserving then others? Where in the Bible does it say that the people who work hard and make the best of the opportunities presented to them are forced to support those who have no self respect or desire to make their lives better?”

    It’s in the part after “In the beginning”. Do you read, or do you just prefer just being told?

    2 November 2007, 10:56 pm

11. Samuel:

    Let’s not blame the poor for being poor just because we are rich.
    It will be easier for a camel to pass throught the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
    Should we not be asking ourself if we are too rich, or if we are poor enough perhaps? People in the west must stop justifying their life-style in religious terms. A bigger car does not mean one is more pious, kind, or worthy, it only means you have more money. For some perpective on how rich or poor you think you really are check your standing on the Global Rich List at: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

    5 November 2007, 10:29 am

12. La Chatte:

    God Sucks, religion sucks, Bush sucks, and poverty sucks…The End

    6 November 2007, 11:13 pm

13. Flimsy Sanity:

    If the poor would get off their asses and learn to backdate options, they could be rich too. Dumb son of a bitches should be buying euros right now.

    7 November 2007, 1:15 pm

14. Becca:

    Flimsy Sanity:
    Actually, “dumb son of a bitches” can barely afford to make ends meet, to feed their family, to make car payments to get them to work. They don’t have money to make long term investments with.
    Definitely check out http://www.globalrichlist.com (thanks Samuel) it is an eye-opener. The fact is, our country has a history of exploitation, colonization, and oppression toward people globally and domestically. If we aren’t going to help them out after all that we have done, the least we can do is stop screwing them over.

    7 November 2007, 5:49 pm

15. CharlieHipHop:

    “Where does it say in any founding document that it is the responsibility of the government to redistribute wealth via confiscatory taxation and social programs?”

    It’s right there in the Preamble, the part about “provide for the common welfare”… there’s other stuff in there about taxes and whatnot. It’s the Sixteenth Amendment:

    “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes,
    from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
    States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

    Why are righties so goddamn stupid, that’s what I want to know.

    8 November 2007, 4:23 pm

16. Bushcansuckit:

    Where in the bible does it say the rich shall inherit the earth? These are not Christian values, but they are what Satan loves to dangle before the immoral and sinful. Anyone who still supports this arrogant lunatic is corrupt and soulless without a hope of entering anywhere remotely near the Kingdom of Heaven.

    8 November 2007, 5:55 pm

17. Brother Gil:

    There are many references in the bible about helping those that are less fortunate then others. Would you really want us to believe that God wants us to act more like those that are in the White House now. The president is quite simply an opportunist that quotes the bible to further his own agenda. Simply put he is no biblical scholar or expert on real Christian principles. Here is a man that vetoes child health care bills, appoints people that believe in torture, puts a horse lawyer to run FEMA , and you want me to believe in his interpretations of scripture????

    9 November 2007, 11:53 am

18. Bob:

    The post at the top of the page (posted 2 November 2007, 7:22 am) was cleary written by some senile member of the hoi polloi parade with nothing but a big red neck to talk about. I sincerely hope he encounters a bout of great misfortune for the duration of the next 60 years. Though it is far more likely that he (although possibly she, it is probably he) will die from Extreme Right Wing Titface disorder before then – a most unpleasent, uncomfortable and gruelling death it is too. Jolly Good.

    9 November 2007, 11:56 am

19. Dilbert:

    “If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he give it to.”

    9 November 2007, 7:04 pm

20. JQwest:

    It really shouldn’t make any difference what the Bible says. I am a God fearing person, but the bottom line is we should take care of one another. It has nothing to do with Rich vs Poor. We are all Rich in some ways and Poor in other ways. You help when you can help. This idea should not be that difficult to grasp.

    9 November 2007, 8:04 pm

21. MLK III:

    Come one gang, let’s show a little sympathy for the rich. They labor under the false assumption that material goods will make them happy, and then no matter how big their pile gets, they look around at the country club and see other folks with bigger piles and are consumed with envy. (See George Will’s column a while back on this). On top of that, the damn government, at least those liberal “tax and spend” Democrats, want a bigger piece of said “pile”, and it only follows that if a bigger pile equals more happiness, then a smaller one must lead to greater unhappiness. If the government is going to spend hundreds of billions on important things like killing our enemies (rather than loving them as Jesus clearly states), then let’s leave these poor rich folks piles alone and stick with the current Republican “borrow and spend” philosophy, which puts the burden on the next generation of taxpayers, our children. (Jesus’ views on children are also well documented.)

    On a completely unrelated note. Dick Cheney and Hillary Clinton are two peas in a pod. Dangerous megolomaniacs.

    10 November 2007, 7:07 am

22. DwightSchmuck:

    So how come the rich are totally opposed to a flat-rate, no- exemption, no-deduction income tax. No writing off leased vehicles, no writing off -sky-boxes’ and country club fees for businesses, no writing off interest, no writing off Hummers and Escalades. Just a flat rate income tax. You don’t see these folks queueing up to support that. Just when was the last time you noticed anyone in the lower 25% income brackets buying a second or third home? Just thought I’d ask.

    10 November 2007, 7:19 am

23. Gehast:

    There are many verses in the Bible where it says to help the poor….meaning to help those who can’t help themselves not those who can but won’t.It also states that if a man is unwilling to work then he shall not eat!

    10 November 2007, 7:48 am

24. Cal:

    To Shutup: You sicken me. I honestly hope you are under 12 years old, because if you aren’t then, just, wow. “he should just quit his job and get a better one”. wow, thanks for the black and white insight. I never realized that amazing jobs were readily available, and plentiful, to the middle and lower class. in that case, why don’t i quit my job and just become a CEO. thanks for clearing the whole unemployment issue up. why didnt someone think of that earlier? dumbfuck. By the way, speaking of unions. ever heard of teamsters you un-informed fuck.

    10 November 2007, 2:58 pm

25. Cal:

    just making sure, that comment was directed towards this genius:

    ShutUp:

    Killing in the Name of: If it weren’t for people like your father, there wouldn’t be a problem with workers being exploited. If your father and people like him would simply quit their current jobs and work for an employer who treats them fairly, then more employers would be inclined to treat their employees fairly. But your father must be too scared to stand on his principles. If he’s too scared to live up to the morals he apparently instilled in you, then he should join a union and stand with others like him. Either way, if your father stays with an employer who exploits him and he doesn’t fight for his rights, then HE is the problem. You must have been born into a rich family, because nobody who comes from the lower classes would give up their freedom and independence so readily. Why don’t you earn what you have and shut-the-hell-up.

    10 November 2007, 3:01 pm

26. IslandersFan:

    “DJ$!#@^:

    Where does it say in the Bible that the poor are more or less deserving then others? Where in the Bible does it say that the people who work hard and make the best of the opportunities presented to them are forced to support those who have no self respect or desire to make their lives better?
    2 November 2007, 7:22 am ”

    Matthew 25:40 “Then the King shall answer them, Verily I say unto you, insomuch as you have done unto the least of these my brethern, ye have done unto me.”
    Matthew 25:45 “Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of the least ones, you did not do for me.”

    10 November 2007, 6:14 pm

27. Spooky:

    Ya know, Matthew, if taxes were the same across the board you would be correct. But they are not. Due to the Bush administration’s loopholes thee lower your income, the bigger percentage you pay in taxes. IF you are among the very rich you know this, but want the rest of us to believe otherwise. If you are middle class or poor, you are stupid.

    10 November 2007, 7:04 pm

28. Jayme:

    I’ve always been in a lower middle class family. I’m completely aware of how unfair the taxes are. Its people like some of the uppity fucks that are on here that make it that way. SOME of us were NOT born into millions of dollars. This world is set up to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Thats just how it is. No matter WHAT religion you are, you should always help those less fortunate WITHOUT bitching and moaning. What if YOU had to go without food for a few weeks to make sure your child could eat? HMMMM? When you can do that, then you can tell me that you know why I’M poor. My mother and I BOTH bus our asses to raise my nephew, and we STILL barely make rent each month.

    11 November 2007, 12:38 am

29. Clintyfresh:

    You can’t hate Bush, don’t bring personal life into politics, you can strongly disagree with him, but to hate him is ignorance. So many teenagers that I go to school with say “Oh, he’s a fucking dumbass, he’s retarded, he’s in Iraq for oil.” etc, etc. It’s really annoying, if you’re going to say something about politics, make sure you’re educated. He’s our president, no retard could ever make it into office, and his IQ is higher than that of our first Presidents, he’s just making unpopular decisions. Wanna see a good movie? Watch the Zeitgeist, free on google video, or even America: Freedom to Fascism, they’re free.

    19 November 2007, 8:33 pm

30. PAW:

    Do you people know what satire is?

    20 November 2007, 3:42 pm

31. doobstudio:

    Mathew,
    If you read the news you’d learn the Bush lowered taxes on the RICHEST Americans, not the middle class or poor. Ignorance is great when you have money or follow a leader who in many ways behaves like a dictator, but it doesn’t serve you when you make statements like you did about the Bush tax cuts. And don’t even get me started on health care. Our President enjoys excellent medical care from an extremely large and efficient socialized medical program, its called the US Army. And he has the gall to say that socialized medicine doesn’t work? HA! WE PAY FOR HIS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE while we scorns the very system he benefits from.

    And Clintyfresh, for all your talk of fascism do you realize tht Bush exhibits the same behavior aas dictators? Extreme secrecy, does not like being questioned or challenged, signs executive orders in secret, sends people to foreign countries to be tortured!!!!!!! Clintyfresh are you STUPID OR WHAT?! This man is extremely dangerous to AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. Or maybe you are just so stupid that you follow him like most people followed Hilter in Germany. This man and his cronies are a menace to real Democracy and they do it in the name of SECURITY and RELIGION.

    Makes me sick that we have to put up with this bastard for another year. He should be impeached!!!!!!!!!!!!

    20 November 2007, 8:51 pm

32. doobstudio:

    And one other message to all you bible quoters out there, ever notice how the bible is full of messages that are contradictory so that anyone can go to the bible and pull out a quote that suits their needs? Really interesting how that works isn’t it. That’s because the bible was written BY MEN, and I hate to be the one to tell you but its not really the word of God because it was written and edited and modified by men for THEIR OWN PURPOSES! Prove that it is the absolute word of God, go ahead. Ever notice how bibles will say things like “The King James version” that’s because he edited it FOR HIS OWN PURPOSES!

    Wake the fuck up people.

    20 November 2007, 9:01 pm

33. Cancer:

    Yeah..um…god doesn’t exist or anything anyway. And fuck poor people, you should’ve went to college, and if you couldn’t afford college..you should’ve tried harder in high school. It isn’t anyones JOB to help the “less fortunate”

    23 November 2007, 12:28 am

34. Afflictor:

    Sure, where does it say that the haves can’t stack the deck against the have nots? Where does it say that those that get keep on getting and getting and getting? Of course, everyone knows the poor are so because they are not as smart or work as hard as the rich. And, sometimes, it’s because the rich have inherited many opportunities. They are the people who were born on third base and think they hit a triple. How many of the rich actually serve in the military? or as police or firemen or any service capacity? Hmm, now let’s think about it. The sooner the bozos of this country realize that we are all in this together the sooner America will enter the ranks of the civilzied. However, as greed is one of human kind’s greatest weaknesses, don’t count on it occuring too soon. The blatant stupidity of many American’s is reflected in their opposition to the “death tax”, a tax affecting a fraction of one percent of the population yet contrived into a cause by the wealthy (with the morons falling in place). How about this solution, any one subject to this tax gets exempted if they have ever served for day in the military? Nah, too severe. Yeah, let’s continue to screw the poor, it’s a lot easier and doesn’t inconvience the rich.

    23 November 2007, 10:38 am

35. Flimsy Sanity:

    That is the big lure – tempting people with the dream that they can be rich too if they just work hard. The economic world would collapse if people would be satisfied with essentials but everyone is so avaricious. Really now, how much crap does one need????? When you die, they don’t praise you for what you added to landfills, but for the times you were around and whether you enjoyed life. The lazy are actually better people than the hardworking.

    My comment about being too lazy to backdate options was a joke you doofuses.

    28 November 2007, 3:31 am

36. DogLover:

    Why do you all call each other names? You’re just shooting yourself in the foot. From what I’ve read so far, the main result accomplished will be to make liberals look conceited, lazy and irresponsible. (I don’t think it’s good to be lazy. I try to fight it.)
    Maybe, it’s not obvious to some why we should help the poor. I love “being born on third base and thinking you hit a triple.” I’d add: Leveling the playing field; We don’t live in a meritocracy; and It’s obscene for the greedy to laugh at those just scraping by, who never get a fair shake.
    On the other hand (as you know), we must reward great effort & great competence, greatly. Incentive is essential. But the wealthy are far wealthier than they deserve by any standard because the system is rigged. And I mean some get a silver spoon from birth to death and some or many are making deals with each other, so they’re above the law. The only answer is to clean it up within democracy. Yes, it’s hard & arduous, but any other way yet devised will only make us worse off. There is no utopia. “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”

    6 December 2007, 2:52 am

37. DogLover:

    Correction: I meant: Why do you call anybody names?

    6 December 2007, 3:01 am

38. tim:

    I like the Right Winger’s method of logic on this subject, note how they make the case for anything, it goes like this:

    *
    Where is it written that we should ever do the right thing? I didn’t see it, no such memo, and I will ignore it if you point it out or will act like I don’t fully understand it, so therefore, logically of course, we should all be doing the wrong thing. I want to destroy, possibly.
    *

    All you have to do is replace the ‘right thing’ and ‘wrong thing’ with whatever you desire and whatever you dislike, and there you have it: the bogus frame and distortion.

    10 December 2007, 8:23 am

39. DogLover:

    Tim,

    You obviously are a person who believes in doing the right thing and I commend you. However, believe it or not, there are many intelligent right wingers. I would not agree that most do things the way you have outlined. But please keep making comments. It’s good to hear someone trying to get inside the head of those who don’t agree with him.

    12 December 2007, 4:30 am

40. oldfatguy:

    Senator Kerry’s wife, a billionaire, made her taxes available during the 2004 election. She paid at a rate of eight and a half percent. My tax rate is nearly four times that amount on a much smaller income. The problems with the tax rates are the amount of tax write-offs the rich have. They pay the money to get their people elected and are paid back with huge tax breaks for their clients. Why not just flat tax everything at twenty-five percent with no write-offs, deductions, depreciations or any other restocking, replanting, or retooling breaks. Make the company pay a twenty-five percent tax for the boss driving a luxury car to work just as the lowest employee in the company. It isn’t just the taxes that business doesn’t pay, but all the luxury, “doing business” deductions that make the whole system so deplorable and vile.

    5 January 2008, 4:30 pm

41. Steve:

    Scanning comments, see the rich should pay more because they can. Wow. Who could argue with such well thought out logic? This is why liberals are downright scary.

    6 January 2008, 2:54 am

42. Doglover:

    Steve:

    The rich shouldn’t pay more taxes because they can. They should pay more to level the playing field, without decreasing incentive. The rich have many unfair advantages and have prospered from a system that many work in. But not all are rewarded fairly. The concentration of power and wealth is bad for democracy. As the people’s representative, the government can make a positive difference. Don’t be so scared of liberals and our government, you have much more to fear from scruple-less large corporations.

    17 January 2008, 4:01 pm

43. LiberalAtheistHippie:

    The Bible is FICTION — Deal with it. Be a humanist and help people because you want to, because it is the right thing to do not because you will be granted a place in heaven, or god will look favorably upon you — help people because you are able to. Which god do you persecute people for?

    30 November 2008, 11:35 am

44. Helion:

    I feel that any people who allow the term “liberal” be a nasty term is crazy.

    I am a pastor, and believe that the Bible is the truth and God’s word, but I do not try to force anyone to accept my point of view. I think that there are a lot of things that are “bad” and a “sin”, but, in my life, I am the only one who is forced to do what is right.

    I always believed that Bush and Cheney should be impeached and that if they are not, then they should be judged for crimes against humanity.

    I believe that the rich are not that because they are any more intelligent or hard-working than the poor, but because they have had all the breaks. I am all in favor in leveling the playing field and make those who have enjoyed the breaks without work pay for it.

    I believe that I have a right to my opinion and that you do, too. My opinion is good for me as well as my belly-button. My opinion and my belly-button cannot be forced on any other person; my belly-button won’t serve anyone but me and my opinion is just like it.

    Oh, my gosh, I am a liberal! yeah, and proud of it.

    30 November 2008, 8:59 pm

45. CapitalismIsTheft:

    Doglover: Actually, the rich should pay more in taxes because they are the ones who most benefit from the way the system is designed. Yes, I believe in leveling the playing field, but that is not the purpose of taxes, that is the purpose of laws. Taxes are a way to fund the government to provide services and products that otherwise would not be provided (unless you’re a libertarian and believe only those who can afford military, police, fire protection, etc. should get them). Since the rich benefit the most from the system that is in place, meaning they get the most rewards in the form of finances, and since they have a much bigger say in what laws are passed (and enforced), and since they have much more influence due to their wealth and their ability to spend it, they should pay higher taxes. Al Gore has a good idea with his consumption tax that is also keyed to carbon, and other greenhouse gas, output.

    19 April 2009, 11:48 am

46. jim sadler:

    Actually the entire Bible demands poverty of the faithful. Even the Blessed are the poor in spirit has been deliberately, poorly translated to make the Bible more palatable to modern folks. It would be better translated as Better are the poor to the Spirit.
    One great example is the Old Testament King Nehemiah. When he learned that some merchants were doing well he demanded that all of them return their profits four times plus half again meaning that if a merchant had earned $100 dollars he was demanded to return four hundred and fifty dollars. Nehemiah’s reasoning was that some men worked as soldiers to protect the people for very little pay and public officials also worked for very little pay. Therefore who were merchants to dare earn more than these soldiers and public workers? The Bible not only forbids loaning money for interest it also looks down upon what is called increase or gaining an advantage by either work or trade.
    Even in fairly modern times religious leaders have fought tooth and nail to make the charging of interest a crime as serious as murder. I believe it was Calvin who remarked that those who dared charge interest should be tied to a post and sliced.

    11 June 2009, 8:54 pm

47. djstan:

    why are so many people arguing about the bible? it’s just a book, don’t believe everything you read.

    29 August 2009, 8:21 am

48. Amused:

    I love how people complain about redistribution of wealth. It says that we have the right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. Life is guaranteed by insurance and a safe occupation; it also means you shouldn’t have your health endangered by excess stress due to financial difficulties. Liberty includes the freedom to choose candidates, which is pretty much meaningless when lobbyists constantly demand money and an ungrateful and batshit-insane GOP pulls a publicity stunt like shooting down a jobs bill just because they can. And the pursuit of happiness requires a stable and meaningful income combined with at least some leisure time.

    And yes. I’ll pay extra taxes for health insurance.

    28 October 2011, 11:11 pm

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